5 HTP and Depression | Herbal Remedies for Health

| Modified: Dec 31, 2018
5 HTP is an amino acid derived from the seeds of the Griffonia simplicifolia, a West African medicinal plant. The full compound is 5-hydroxytryptophan, and is part of the synthesis of the neurotransmitter serotonin from the amino acid tryptophan. Low serotonin levels can manifest as a number of modern maladies. In particular, positive associations exist between using 5 HTP and depression, and as a result 5 HTP is useful for people coping with depression.

While a relatively new health supplement in the United States, it has been used medicinally in European countries for decades. Additional health claims about 5 HTP promote its use for other health conditions associated with low serotonin levels including obesity, narcolepsy, migraines and daily headaches, tension headaches, sleep apnea, insomnia, bulimia, premenstrual syndrome, fibromyalgia, and carbohydrate cravings.

How to Fight Depression and Other Ailments with 5 HTP

On this page you can find uses for 5 HTP submitted to us by our readers. Popular uses for 5 HTP are for alcohol addiction and depression; but in addition we have a number of ongoing discussions over 5 HTP use and experience. Let us know what you use 5 HTP for; and if you know of a cure that we do not have listed yet, please do not hesitate to share it with us!



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Posted by Patricia (Gainesville, FL) on 06/16/2009

My daughter take 5HTP but she takes P-5-P along with it. Does anyone have any info on the P-5-P. After reading some of the side effects some people have had I am a little afraid to take it. I have just started on Tumeric. Had to quit Bill's spray and ACV as it made my throat so sore my voice dropped a few levels. Any one else had this happen?

Replied by Jamie
Breese, Il
03/13/2010

I have battled with depression since I was a freshman in highschool, im 29 now. I take 150mg of Zoloft everyday. If I wanted to try this 5-HTP would I also have to stop taking the Zoloft or could I take both. The Zoloft does not help with my times of excessive worrying, mood swings, or the feeling of being tired all the time. Any suggestion??

Replied by Bee
Anon, Anon
03/15/2010

If you do take 5-HTP and Zoloft, there is a chance that your serotonin levels will rise too high. Also, realize that there is a chance of withdrawal as you wean yourself off of Zoloft. I would consult with a medical professional to help you wean off the Zoloft gradually, to ease any withdrawal. I used 5-htp to help wean off Paxil(another SSRI)- I'm at a half dose now, but not trying to reduce it any right now. I had really severe withdrawal so it may be better to give your system a break before starting the 5-htp. At least in my experience weaning off is really hard and it's important to take care of yourself and have the support of someone to help you get through it.

Replied by Kimbies
Omaha, Nebraska
03/26/2010

regarding the question of taking 5HTP with Zoloft. As long as you have a window of over 8-10 hours between taking the Zoloft and 5HTP it should not be a problem. Many people successfully are on both just not at the same time in the day as to avoid Seratonin overload.

Replied by Chicagorock
Chicago, Il
03/06/2011

Hi patricia
you might try neuroassist. it's a mix of htp-5 with other co-factors that you need in balance. they say that htp-5 alone with put your other neurotransmitters out of whack, here is their web site www.neuroassist.com/. my therapist said that her clients are doing much better with neuroassist. hope you feel better, patricia, good luck.

Replied by Shelby
Wilmington, Ca
12/22/2011

Jaime! You should look into meditation and yoga to help with your depression. Sending you lots of love and light :)

Replied by Gail
Branson, Missouri
01/20/2012
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My husband got the 5-HTP from reading about it in Ray and Terry's info... I can get grouchy, so I took some to see the effect. I took 100mg in the morning and I forgot about it as I was busy that day... Then later in the day when I was doing school work with my kids and my son didn't want to focus and was acting up, which usually upsets me, I felt calm and I noticed it... It was nice... I guess you could say it took the edge off of my irritation?? I had no side effects other than vivid dreams but not bad dreams... I think it depends on your brain chemistry and particular problems.

I know a friend who had severe depression for years who recently cured it with ACV and some slight diet changes, so go figure. My husband tends toward anxiety and he likes what it does for him, but he does not take it every day, more like every other. We have learned over the years often with anxiety/depression you need magnesium and homeopathic meds are often good for this or epsom salt baths.

Replied by Dana
Sheridan, Wyoming
12/19/2013

Would 5-HTP be advisable for my 16 year old son? He seems to be tired a lot, gets frequent headaches, looks to have low energy (except when he is with his friends and has bouts of anxiety. He has a huge homework load from AP classes but handles his homework well. I worry about his headaches and anxiety. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

Replied by Mike 62
Denver, Colorado
12/19/2013

Dana: I had what your son has when I was his age, only I was a lot worse. 40 years later I learned that cooked regular food does not have any enzymes, humic acids that activate nutrients, xeronines that activate proteins, sulfur, or trace minerals. Do your son a big favor and feed him raw organic, grassfed, and superfood concentrates, and make home made water kefir. You can watch raw food videos for some great ideas.

Replied by Mama To Many
Tennessee, Usa
12/20/2013

Hi Dana,

It is worrisome to see a teen work hard and be tired and have headaches! I have seen this too with my sons.

One thing is that teens do need more sleep for a time during the mid-teen years. I have worried when it appears my teens need more sleep than their younger siblings. Teens often do not get adequate sleep and often get irregular sleep. But between school and social lives etc, it can be hard to get them to sleep enough. Does he have trouble sleeping? Sleepytime tea before bed actually helps a lot for many, if so. I don't know that I would start with 5-HTP, I don't know much about it. But others may have another thought on this.

I agree with Mike that getting him some concentration nutrition is important. Teens are growing and need extra nutrition. Unfortunately, they are often not getting a very good diet, especially if they are consuming fast food, energy drinks, caffeine, etc. In fact, MSG (in fast food or processed food), processed sugar, and energy drinks can all cause headaches and anxiety.

Most of us are iodine deficient. A drop of Lugol's iodine daily, or a kelp tablet (not as much iodine, but still helpful to some.) might be helpful. Low iodine affects energy poorly. Also, daily vitamin C and D and B complex would be good. I did this for my son who is 17 and it did make a noticeable difference.

Sometimes a few simple changes will help. Sometimes it might be more complex. An underlying virus could cause be involved and then I would consider Dave's colloidal silver plan.

Keep us posted on what you try and how it is going. If the first things you try don't work, EC posters will likely have some more ideas for you!

~Mama to Many~


Posted by Denisse (Long Beach, CA, USA) on 05/07/2009
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5-HTP for depression. This little pill did wonders for me. I had been feeling depressed for around a month due to heavy family problems. When I finally put all my symptoms together (oversleeping, hopelessness, sadness, emotionally unstable) I instantly came to this site. Cold showers did not appeal to me at all; I live in sunny CA and still get cold. I ordered the pills and thankfully they came the next day. I take one or two (depending on how I am doing) 100mg pills a day. My mood has definitely improved and I am finally returning to my normal self. They also seem to have reduced my terrible headaches. I recommend 5-HTP to all!

Replied by Karl
Digby, Nova Scotia, Canada
01/13/2011

For those of us who have never heard of 5-HTP where might one find it exactly?

Replied by Tom
Regina, Sk
01/14/2011

Karl:

There are other sites as well, but www.Bing.com is very good to find a picture beforehand of what you want to look for in a store.

Almost all current browsers have the plug-in available that puts a drop-down Search box in your toolbar from where you can select all manner of Search sites then enter your word(s).

Bing is also good because just holding the mouse over any search pic will show additional info and even a hotlink to the site where it's found.

www.bing.com/images/search?q=5-HTP BOTTLE

Replied by Tcnz
Auckland, New Zealand
01/14/2011

To my best knowledge, it is illegal to ship 5-HTP to Canada.

Replied by Zsaqwe
Brownsville, Texas, Usa
01/14/2011

Purebulk.com

Replied by Bess
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
01/14/2011

For those seeking 5-HTP in Canada, try your local health food store. I just received a flyer from The Vitamin Farm (thevitaminfarm. Ca) and they advertise NOW brand 5-HTP (100 mg capsules). If they have it, I'm sure other local health food stores will carry it or perhaps they can order it in for you. Good luck!

Replied by Valerie
Roanoke Rapids, North Carolina, Usa
05/08/2011

i buy my 5htp at walmart... That's the cheapest place to get it... They have it in health food stores and walgreens, too. best thing since sliced bread! Been on other antidepressants with horrible side effects, including celexa(which wasn't too bad). I take 200mg a day, in the evening before I go to bed and works better than the antidepressants I've been on without the side effects. I recommend it to everyone. I was depressed, almost to the point of agoraphobia. I am now in control of my life instead of my depression controlling me!

Replied by Danielle
Austin, Tx
10/21/2012

When do you take it? Morning or evening?

Replied by Michelle
Blackpool, Lancashire, England Uk
01/21/2018

Hi there

Could anyone tell me the the best place to buy 5 HTP, I really like the sound of this product and think it will do me the world of good but I'm just struggling on which brand to purchase it from, I'm looking for the healthiest quality & a trust worthy company!

I have terrible sleep problems, depression and suffer with arthritis & Fibromyalgia!

Thank you very much!

Replied by Stephen
Victoria, Australia
05/16/2018

iherb.com has a lot of reviews on 5HTP. I'm Looking at starting on this herb.Take care and God Bles You---Stephen


Posted by Robin (Rural, VA) on 11/15/2008

Somebody help me clear up something. I came across some L-Tryotophan 500 mg at a drug store, in a sale bin, which I understand is no longer being sold. Doing a little research, this is a typical size dosage. I had been planning on buying some 5Htp anyway. Which is generally sold in 100 mg. I keep reading that L-Tryptophan and 5Htp are the same thing. Why would there be such a vast difference in the amount of the capsules? And if they are not the same thing, someone please explain the difference.

I had also read that if you are using 5Htp to help you sleep, you have to take a lot (maybe 5) of capsules. This is not very cost effective, as a bottle of 60 would cost you about $20. I had sleep in mind when I bought the L-Tryptophan, and took one capsule. I slept like a baby. And believe me that is rare for me.

Replied by Peggy
Loveland, Co
07/15/2010
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My understanding is that 5-HTP is the intermediate biochemical in the body between tryptophan and serotonin. Tryptophan is in some foods like turkey and Brazil nuts, and our bodies turn it into 5-HTP, which is then turned into serotonin. L-tryptophan was the supplement version of tryptophan, but apparently had some unpleasant side effects so it was pulled. www.5-HTP.org has some good info about it. I have had good luck with 100 mg of 5-HTP on an empty stomach about an hour before bedtime. I sleep more restfully and am happier when I wake up. I understand it's good to start with 50 mg and see if that works, and add more if needed. If I run out and don't get more for a few days, I start having more insomnia and sadness within a few days. Also, it took a few days to take effect, but has been well worth it and no side effects.


Posted by Stefanie (Minden, Louisiana) on 07/17/2008
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I found this remedy when I was looking for herbal remedies for my daily headaches. I found 5-HTP. According to the article,some of the things it helped with are insomnia, headaches, anxiety & depression. I thought could it be? I immediately went to my husband to show him what I had found because he had problems sleeping at night as well. We went a few days later to our local drug store and picked up a bottle of 50mg. 5-HTP. We had decided on the lowest dosage available in our area, upping the dosage as we went along if it was necessary. We have only been on it for a few days now but there is a very noticeable difference. We both have been sleeping through the night and feeling more refreshed when we wake. My anxiety attacks are gone as well as my headaches. We both are much less snappish than what we were before. We haven't noticed any side effects so far. We are taking them with a meal or a small snack and so far we have stayed at 50mg. Thanks for the very useful information that lead to this discovery!

Replied by Brian
Sparta, Nj
01/25/2010

could you email be at [email protected] with the products you used, as in brand. i used to use a good rhodelia but i can no longer buy it and i need more


Replied by Melinda
Richardson, Texas
07/14/2008

I would love to learn more about 5-HTP or L-lysine and its use for children. I have a 6 year old with "rolandic" epilepsy and a 10 year old with adhd. We would love to find a way to medicate naturally as all the traditional medications have a list of side effects that we deal with. Any information on how to use this remedy on children would be great!


Replied by Rob
Manhattan, New York
05/17/2009

Charlotte, I would also be weary of some of these diagnosis... The drug companies are quick to name many normal development conditions as a serious sounding disease or condition for which drugs are needed.. Simple shyness is now ..social anxiety disorder...

So am wondering if Selective Mutism is not just a shyness that your grandson will eventually grow out of..or would react to some social therapy.


Replied by Rachel
Portland, Or
11/09/2014

Rob, Unfortunately, Selective Mutism is real. My 11 year old daughter has recently been diagnosed with it. She is unable to talk at school or participate in music, PE, socialize with peers. She reads a book during recess. At home, she is her regular silly, goofy, talkative self, arguing and playing with her siblings like any normal 11 year old. At school, her facial expression is very stoic, her body stiff, and her feet drag. This is still new to me, but it is amazing the difference between school and home.


Replied by Maria
Gippsland, Australia
11/09/2014

Hi Rachel, be encouraged. I have just seen a young lady who graduated uni and works as a professional with people all day who was like your daughter 15 yrs ago. She is now an outgoing social young woman and a nice caring person. There were some tiring times for the family, especially when at 12 it was found her speach/language were a few yrs behind where it should have been, but boy can she talk now and to anyone no matter who they are or what there position is. You will have some work ahead of you, but it is worth it, so as I said before, please be encouraged. All the best in your journey, God bless


Posted by S. B. (Louisville, KY) on 01/18/2008
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Just wanted to echo the positive experiences reported here. After a bit of internet research, I kind of guessed at a regimen that might work for me, which is one 250mg rhodiola capsule before breakfast, one before lunch, and then 50mg 5-HTP before bed. In fact I found this site because I Googled "5-HTP" and "rhodiola" to see if there was any danger in taking them both, but I see several of you have also come up with a similar plan. Very assuring, and I have to say I felt a bit of triumph for having arrived at the same conclusion that others have made of my own accord.

Anyway, I've been taking it for a short while and I am still flabbergasted at how effective it is. I really just can't get over it. I could feel the effects after the very first dose of rhodiola. Not only did it improve my mood, it made me feel, well, happy! And it improved my personality. Low seratonin levels were impacting my life in many negative ways but now I am a new person.

Also it seems to have eliminated my morning headaches and neck stiffness, but I can't say whether that is attributed to the rhodiola or the 5-HTP. From what I've read it may likely be the 5-HTP.

However as others have stated, I would take caution in the dosage of rhodiola. I have found that if I take the afternoon dose too close to the morning dose, I do become a bit jittery and restless. Still happy--not nervous--but jittery and restless nonetheless.

Rhodiola is obviously powerful stuff and I'm sure it's not for everyone, but if you are the type of person that it can benefit, then like the others here that have reported positive experiences, I think you'll be astounded as to how effective it can be.


Posted by kellie (vancouver bc, canada) on 01/13/2008
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Hi' I found 5 htp a couple years ago on the internet , looking for some thing to help my saddness and depression, so i heard about 5 htp , well i was desprite and i took 2 + 100 every day , it helped me so so much , i go off it some times because the side effects for me are, it makes me get my period more ofton , mind you i think that is when i was taking 300 mg . and also it has caused me to get itchy palms of my hand ,and the back of my head . but now that iv gone down on them and taken a break for a few months , im good . but i have to go on them because it helps me so much for depression . i have just discovered the 5 htp with 200 mg L- Ter , wow as far as im concerned its a bloody mirical . it changes my hole mood . makes me very happy .but for sure one other side effect im not as hungry when im on it . and i dream more vividly . but as fare as im concerned its a wonder drug , sorry for the spelling.lets just hope the drug companys don't take them away .


Posted by Susanne (Indianapolis, In) on 11/30/2007
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I began taking 5-HTP for depression and anxiety and sleeplessness during a very emotionally stressful breakup. I have Not had an anxity attack since 3-07 which I had suffered from off and on for several years. I sleep so much better. I am able to think clearer and stay focused and concentrate so much better as well as improved my memory. I am thankful for this. My dr. wanted to put me on Wellbutrine. NO Thank U!


Posted by Terri (San Jose, CA) on 11/11/2006
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5HTP is greatly helping myself and my daughter with our symptoms of fibromyalgia. I have tried low doses of antidepressants in the past but nothing worked as well to improve my sleep as 5-HTP has. I take 200mg per night. My type comes with several essential cofactors to assist in proper seratonin production. No side effects for me, unlike with the other drugs. I'm considering it for more members of my family. We have a genetic sleep and pain disorder. Hopefully we can find the right dose for all of us. I advise everyone to see a qualified ND or sympathetic MD before self dosing to be extra safe but side effects are rare thankfully.


Posted by Harrier (Long Beach, CA) on 11/27/2005
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I was recently diagnosed as having some mild anxiety was was given Zoloft. However the side effects were to great for me to continue. I have been trying L- Glutamine and 5 HTP for about a month and appear to find a leveling off or those problems. For me although it seems to have helped, the jury is still out and I'm not sure if this is helping or its me in the fact I only recently recognized it was a problem. I have read that 90% of the people who try natural alternatives for depression / anxiety return to prescriptions. That is very high. I only wish I recognized my problem earlier. The only people I see pushing the natural alternatives are people who have things to gain. There have been no real blind study on 5 HTP. I do not crave junk food or caffeine nearly as much. If that is a symptom of improvement, perhaps I'm getting there.


Posted by Kathryn (Toronto, Ontario)
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I am taking 5-HTP to help me with sleeping. My 16 yr old daughter is also taking it to help with stress and weight control as well as sleeping. We have found it has helped a lot and I don't have to take it every day . My kids call them the turkey pills because the amino acid they contain are the same as the one found in turkey, milk, bananas etc. We both take 100 or 200 mg a day.


Posted by Charlotte (Richboro, PA)
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My 6year old grandson was diagnosed with "Select Mutism" 2 years ago and rather than put him on "Prozac", my daughter did some research and learned about 5HTP and chose to try it first. He started on 50mg every night. His psychologist saw the same results with the 5HTP as children on prescribed drugs. It's been a miracle for him. I have since then also taken it since our family seems to have anxiety problems and ADD runs in the family and it has helped very much with these problems. I usually take 100mg to 200mg daily depending on my stress levels at the time. We are so grateful our little grandson did not have to take Prozac or a similar drug. I would highly recommend it as a first choice to try at least.

EC: Selective Mutism is a childhood anxiety disorder characterized by a childís inability to speak in select social settings, such as school. These children understand language and are able to talk normally in settings where they are comfortable, secure and relaxed.

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Posted by Jake (Middletown, New York) on 05/02/2009
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Help to stop drinking: I have had difficulty with alcohol consumption for years, did not drink every day but when I did I did to excess.Then a friend sugessted 5-HTP which has greatly reduced my desire to drink and when I do I have a few and just get that feel that I dont want any more.I take 200mg 5-HTP at bedtime and 100mg in morning both on empty stomach. I now sleep great feel, calm and just drink socially now like those without drinking issues.


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Posted by Denise (Us) on 12/09/2018 71 posts

Not many posts on 5 htp of late, but I will post my thoughts. I have 5 HTP, and I only tried it once, and to be honest, I don't recall anything about it. But it's almost Christmas, and the first year in my life that I have lost all interest. I've been so depressed off and on, that I have little interest in anything at all.

I suppose I thought I would at least snap out of it for Christmas, but I haven't. I can't hardly stand to be around people, they get on my nerves after just a few minutes, or I just get too nervous to sit around with them and visit. So being alone is best for me, but yet what a way to live.

I've tried so many anti-depressants and had awful side effects. So I just figure I will beat this somehow. I am 66 this month, and do have some good days, but less and less all the time. So I found my bottle of 100 mg 5htp I am starting again today. I took 1 only, and ate a few crackers so my stomach wasn't empty.

I don't drink or smoke, and I eat very healthy, and supplement with the basics. These include a good amount of Magnesium, b complex with extra B 12. I'm hoping and will post again after I go through this night, and see how I feel tomorrow. If all is ok, not sick with any nausea, those sorts of things I saw mentioned, I'll continue w/5htp and see what happens.

Replied by Anna
Yosemite
12/14/2018

Hi Denise:

I am 67 - recently retired and feeling overwhelmed by my freedom and new reality. I seem to have severe brain fog - as I did not even know I was depressed!! God, can you believe this?!

Thank you for putting words on what I was feeling - I cant understand myself, I am finished with the rat race, have no major material issues, am working on my health and going after candida in a real way (as best I can - and yet - have many of the symptoms you describe - I.e.., no interest in anything, I am allergic to people and going anywhere is exhausting; even the most minor interactions leave me feeling irritable and edgy. I spend 22 hours out of every 24 alone, and the other two hours is meaningless chatter. I do however derive great comfort from this site and find good, even great remedies for my various ailments.

I began to use Bach Flower Remedies recently and am finding them helpful. There are 6-7 of the 28 remedies that address depression and now that I have a bit of clarity on what ails me - I.e.., depression, I will give them a whirl.

5HTP has been a "take it or leave it" remedy for me in the past. But I have been having negative reactions to my Candida Protocols recently, so I stopped almost all pills, and that feels good for the moment.

Do please post on how you are doing - you so well reflected my own experience.

Replied by Denise
Us
12/15/2018
71 posts

Hi Anna,

Well, you hit the nail on the head when you said "take or leave" the 5htp. It only works about half the time, although giving it more time things could change. Since I reacted to it within the first hour I used it, I assumed (I should never do that right) it was going to be an ongoing thing.

Right now, I'm just taking it at night as I think it is helping me sleep better. But I do get some odd dreams, not nightmarish, just sort of like memories with some fiction added in, lol!

I didn't get my notifies but that's to be expected since they are working on the site. I did get yours today though. So I see I have a few folks to answer back. I'm steady on with my other supps. The magnesium has done a lot for my anxiety, and I'm just more calm dealing with difficult people in my life. I still can get crazy, and pretty obsessive about things.

Like today, I was obsessing over something I wanted to change on my computer and I just wouldn't let go of it. Finally I realized I had to get the heck out of here, and I went on a 2 miles walk. It was great, and I did have a lot of energy I didn't realize until I exerted myself.

I can't say my depression is cured, but I do believe it is better. It hits me so fast sometimes though, and no rhyme or reason for it. I do think you and I are on the same "page" though, thanks for writing, Denise

Replied by Kt
Usa
12/15/2018

Dear Denise,

I can't help but feel you are ingesting something that is contributing to this depression. Do you get any sunlight at all during the morning hours? This could certainly help.

Try about 1/4 tsp. cayenne pepper and 1/4 tsp of ginger about every four hours and see if that doesn't help. Cayenne pepper is a stimulant and gives me a "pick up". The NA reports there is an antidepressant ingredient in ginger. The NA also reports that garlic will give a sense of well being.

Read the reports on this link about four fantastic spices: http://nstarzone.com/FOURSPICES.html They really work!!

KT

Replied by Steve
Nv
12/16/2018

Another alternative to 5HTP is SAM-E. SAM-E is more activating than 5HTP and feels more like a happy pill. 5HTP is a bit more sedating/soothing/calming. When I take SAM-E I can think and talk faster and sometimes find myself laughing at my own internal thoughts and jokes. So it's worth a try if 5HTP isn't doing it for you. 400mg is an average dose but you can try 800mg if you don't feel a difference with 400mg.

Another option is light therapy in the morning which activates the brain. I use something called the litebook but there are lots of different light therapy units out there starting at around $40. They work great for getting rid of winter blues/SAD and depression.

Replied by Denise
Us
12/16/2018
71 posts

Hi Kt,

I have a West facing huge window in my bedroom and I leave the shades open morning and night. No one can see in so it is a lovely location. My plants do well, and I usually walk year-round and get a lot of Sunshine.

I also consume grated ginger tea (home-made) every day, without fail. Usually 2 full cups (cup and a 1/4 I would say) I add blackstrap Molasses for my spleen issues. My depression is better, and it seems to have a lot to do with the 5htp. But the Magnesium too I suspect. But 5htp gives me almost a manic/or high, so I have to limit that. Not every day, or split it in half. Not sure at this point which is best.

I am curious what brand of B50 complex might be best. I keep hearing I need to keep taking that, and this time I used Spring Valley from walmart shelf. They have better brands you can order. Any feedback on that is welcome too. Still doing ACV, BSM, and EVCO. Also love my magnesium baths, Just using Epsom Salt, or just hot bath too before bed.

Good to see you, and sorry if I missed some posts. I thought we were going to see a more "forum" like style here, I was hoping, one where interaction is quicker, and easier. But it's still the best site for information I've found.

I have had depression, anxiety, tremors, migraine, for so many years, this is not going to be an easy journey, or a short one. Piece-meal I think you called it, and one step at a time. Hard to move so slow for me though. I want results yesterday, lol!

Replied by Denise
Us
12/16/2018
71 posts

Hi Steve, did you try both 5htp and SAMe? I'm guessing you did by what you wrote. I have SAMe as well, but haven't tried it but one time. To be honest, I can't remember how it affected me, but I think there was something negative. It could have been a lot of other things (supplements) I've been trying for other issues. I would like to stick to one thing, and am trying to do that. I think I'll try the SAMe again, not both together of course. Mine are 400mg.

I have stuck with the 5htp, but I should also stick with the SAMe for a time so I can really compare them. I've also heard about the light therapy, and feel I am a bit of a light junkie. I love the Sunshine, and we get a lot, year-round. I don't like the idea of staring into the Sun or a lamp though. That sounded a bit dangerous to me.

Replied by Kt
Usa
12/17/2018

I don't believe getting sunlight through a window is the same as what you get outside in the fresh air. I take my Bible outside and read while facing the sun coming up. I do it enough in spring and summer, I can ease up in colder months and not do it every day.

When my friends went to the food industry to have claims tested, that included vitamins. Sundown and Nature Made were found to be the safest about thirty years ago. I don't know when Sundown added dicalcium phosphate to their vitamins but I juggle between finishing the Sundown (don't want to just throw them away) and Nature Made that have not added any calcium ingredient. Now that GMO's have infiltrated our entire food supply the alleged "inactive" ingredients in supplements are affected and some are not compatible.

The NA declares BSM is rich in the B vitamins. Maybe take a T in the morning and one before bed. I did that when I was anemic many years ago. The NA also reports BSM contains more calcium than milk, more iron than many eggs, and more potassium than any food. It is also said to be rich in copper, magnesium, phosphorus, pantothenic acid, inositol, and vitamin E.

Personally I feel eating eggs, meat, vegetables and taking BSM may help you more than the variety of tablet or capsule supplements you could be taking. Try that for two or three weeks and see how you feel. I would not stop taking the ginger because there is nothing added to it. I don't mean to be talking out of both sides of my mouth...this is just my opinion. It is hard to remember details after nearly three decades of "piecemeal" learning by the process of elimination.

About your tinnitus post, the turmeric powder should help. I think the post about that may be under "Hearing"? I'll look for it when I can...hubs is here now...doesn't like seeing me sitting here.

KT

Denise
Us
12/22/2018
71 posts

I'll try this again today Kt. I drink ginger tea everyday, and use garlic powder in whatever I cook that it is good with. Years ago I used to grate about a tbsp, and just shove it all in my mouth and wash down with juice. That was whenever I felt a cold or bug coming on. It worked a lot of times for stopping a sore throat I felt starting. I tried to do some cayenne yesterday, in hot water w/acv and baking soda. But only took like 3 sips and tossed it down the drain. I just gave up and let myself be discouraged. I'll try the cayenne too again, but in a different way.

Thank you for all the input you've given me, and I will take a look at that link. I don't remember seeing it before, Denise

Denise
Us
12/22/2018
71 posts

Kt, excellent articles on the spices, and I read more on the website that interested me as well.

I don't know whether or not this will work, but since I love to have my ginger tea w/blackstrap molasses, after my breakfast, and again after lunch, I added garlic, cayenne, turmeric to that drink. Just 1/2 tsp of each, except for my ginger tea I grate a tbsp, probably a bit more. It's all steeping now. I will sip on that for quite awhile but don't know if the combo of all might disrupt the work of the cayenne and ginger you suggested Kt. Let me know if you can, what you think on that?

The garlic sounds awful in the tea, but the article had such great info on it. If it doesn't seem to have the effect I am hoping for (a mood lifter lets say) I will try again in 4 hours but just do the ginger and cayenne. I think I'll get to the store for a couple of cloves of garlic too as all I have right not is the powder, and not the best either. I can get all my spices (most all I think) in bulk at our one, health-food mart.

Replied by Denise
Us
12/17/2018
71 posts

Hi Kt,

No, I understand the sunlight thing isn't the same, but I was more talking about some things I read on Light Therapy. I'm out year-round walking 2-6 miles because even in Winter months, we have days of sunshine mixed in on the coast up here.

I am doing good since you listed my "food" diet, vegies, eggs, meat (mostly fresh salmon, or canned albacore) and I'm never without BSM. Everything I buy now has to have nutritional value, as much as I can find. I wonder more about the deficiencies, do I have a deficiency for all vitamins and minerals, or which ones do I need.

In bloodtests it showed I needed D3 but they don't test for everything, not that I know of.

I know what you mean about remembering things so I try to keep track every day of what I am consuming. It's been just over 2 months since I started my journey with supplements, and the best foods I can find. I want to solve every issue I have, and I want to solve it yesterday, lol, but I realize time, it just takes time.

I have to keep looking at all the progress.

Replied by Rsw
Oh
12/18/2018

Hi Denise,

This is the B complex I like. I only take one/day, or less. It has the bio actve B formulas that can be readily used by the body, and is not expensive. It is available on most health sites.

https://www.amazon.com/Life-Extension-Bio-Active-B-Complex-Vegetarian/dp/B00DHTQNQ6/ref=sr_1_3_a_it/134-2437966-4255555?ie=UTF8&qid=1545152691&sr=8-3&keywords=life+extension+bioactive+complete+b-complex

I admire all you have accomplished regarding taking charge of your health.

Replied by Denise
Us
12/22/2018
71 posts

Hello again Anna,

I am hoping to see you again on here because it is the saddest Christmas ever for me. I shut myself off from people because I don't want to inflict myself on them. Now I'm thinking of moving after 3 years, because I am ashamed that people know and see my moods.

I have to go downstairs to the main lobby to get my mail and I usually enjoy it when I do, saying hello to folks mingling around a common area we have for people that are disabled, or just don't want to do anything much. Sometimes I think I am afraid of becoming inactive, but much more afraid of literally being alone by choice.

So I've been taking the 5htp every other day right now, also keeping up every day with my magnesium, B complex, A, D3, zinc, theanine, and Magtein. Just a rundown on what I am taking right now.

It's hard to admit this but I have outbursts when at home alone. I am afraid one day I might do it in front of someone though. I just do this thing where I cuss and say how much I hate the world and everyone in it. It's not true, but I feel that way. I'm in tears writing this and wish something would really work for me. The rest of my close relatives are screwed up too but they have different ways of coping. Prozac for my closest brother, alcohol for my mother, and my sister will blow up one day from keeping everything inside and covering it with stupid jokes. Well, she did raise a butcher knife to me one time.

I don't know if this will get posted because it's more of a whine about my state of mind or mental attitude. The holidays feel horrid for the first time in my life. I always decorated and had the christmas music on. I've tried to get some spirit with a movie of old here and there, and music on. Nothing is working. I still believe I'll hit on the right supplements/foods and again, it has been just about 2.5 months now I've been working on it.

Replied by Denise
Us
12/22/2018
71 posts

Hey Rsw,

I don't see where I replied to you, so I will here. Thank you for the recommend on the B12. I got some ordered, but I had to skimp and buy one that had free shipping. A different brand, but I took a snip (Windows 10 snipping tool) of each label on purchase site and compared each ingredient, and how much of RDA. It was way close to the same. I think I can put the snips in this post. Would you, or anyone tell me if they see anything that might make a big dif in quality? If so, next time I'll spend the extra:


Replied by Kt
Usa
12/22/2018

Denise,

I read that baking soda and magnesium should be taken two hours apart because BS will interfere with mag absorption. I just learned this to be true because I started taking the BS and BSM together as one post on here shared about fighting cancer. My wrist and fingers started to get a little achy...what an MD would say is arthritis...but that has subsided just in a few days. I felt this was important for you to know NOW.

Try using just 1/4 tsp. of your spices. I have been putting the garlic and cayenne in my coffee with 2% milk and a little Domino sugar. That is more expensive but was the safest when tested.

Hubs has to be admitted again to start his fourth infusion therapy. I don't know the date for that but he's pretty grumpy so my time is limited here right now.

KT

Replied by Kt
Usa
12/22/2018

Hi Denise,

Trying to find my post about what I took when. When I take 1/4 tsp. each of turmeric and ginger I don't heat it. I put the two in about 1/2 cup of water and let it sit overnight and drink that combo first in the morning at room temperature. They both reduce inflammation. I took the cayenne and garlic combined the same way after the ginger and turmeric but lately I have mixed the two in my coffee along with some BSM. I get milk in glass bottles. That could make a difference too.

I'm thinking out loud for you since you seem to be having such a rough time....try the turmeric & ginger first then in about 15 min. mix 1 T of BSM in warm water or coffee. I use warm tap water. I never boil. The coffee is only as hot as comes from the percolator. I do put the spices in to dissolve before I add the milk but still have to stir occasionally while drinking it because the of the cayenne pepper.

Another thing you might consider, are there any binders, fillers, or anti-caking (flowing) agents in the spices? Some may not be compatible.

Perhaps the brand of coffee could be a problem for you. We use Maxwell House.

KT

Replied by Anna W.
Yosemite
12/22/2018

Hi Denise:

So glad your reached out to me - thank you and I am so sorry this is a sad Christmas for you. Are you sad inside or because of externals? I am sending you Cyber-Hugs and hoping you are doing better?

I watched a movie about the founding fathers this past year, I think it was the life of John Adams and not surprisingly he had a very wonderful, politically astute wife. Anyway, there is a moment towards the end of the movie where she tells her daughter in law "Getting old can be a dark place" or words to that effect.

To combat my own darkness I literally have all the lights on in this room - and I am finding Bach Flower Remedies work especially well for my own deep seated darkness. I especially like Rescue Remedy, Star of Bethlehem, Sweet Chestnut, Pine, Elm and Oak. They seem to work at a very deep level and I am no longer feeling hopeless or depressed, more like my life is beginning and if I can trust in my higher self - all will be well.

As for your outbursts - Lady - you are doing it again and this time I am high-fiving you and telling you Go For It! I love it and you have soared again in my book! and now, I hope this makes you smile - as you gave me a lovely happy jolt when I read your post! Heres the News!

You are not alone!

I've got one even better - I do it in the car - outbursts I mean and luxuriate in the absolute privacy of the freeway. No decibel limits - and no pc police either! It is wonderful to let off steam and verbal is as good as any! I always thought it was my not so cultured upbringing that made me do that - but now that the secret is out - I think it is one of the healthiest things about me (and you too).

As for the family or others - if they dont make me feel better - I avoid em like the plague! I need all my energy and coping for me right now!

Stay in touch please, I love reading your posts!

Denise
Us
12/23/2018
71 posts

hello Anna, I'm so glad to hear you've found things that are working!! I think you would crack up laughing if you saw all I did yesterday to brighten my apartment, that was already pretty bright, lol! I somehow ended up with an extra lamp because I ordered a new one when the weird bulbs burned out in a floor-lamp I have. After ordering the new lamp, I just happened to check for those weird bulbs for the old one, and there they were!! So now I have two, very cool floor-lamps, and one table lamp. I love it! I attribute my sense of well-being to the cayenne and ginger, plus a few of my own ideas I tossed in.

I usually have a good cry after my out-bursts, and it does seem therapeutic. I still wouldn't want anyone to see me. My family upbringing was, don't talk about real stuff, ever. It's refreshing to meet others that talk about real life, but can still have fun, and a sense of humor. I love to laugh at myself, and sometimes, I'll be watching some silly show and just bust up laughing. I know my neighbors must wonder if I'm really alone over here, lol.

Oh, yes, in the car. I talk to myself about stupid drivers (and no doubt they are saying the same about me). Then I catch myself and try to pretend I am singing along with the radio, lol! Ok, enough of this foolishness. I'm starting to feel like Scrooge after he gets his awakening

Replied by Teena
Melbourne, Australia
12/22/2018
172 posts

Denise, it is courageous of you and helpful to others in the same position, for you have the strength to share your feelings openly, and in a supportive environment, as for many this is a difficult time of year. Thank you for sharing, you are not alone in this.

My husband tried the 5htp for his depression, further research concerned me the effects could be too extreme, with some people greatly helped but some worsened, I decided to look for something else. What helped him is vitamin b3 niacin, and also rhodiola herb liquid for sudden stresses at work. When one takes b3 or any of the B's, still need to take the b50 complex.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/287922529_Vitamin_B3_for_depression_Case_report_and_review_of_the_literature

In the meantime may I suggest a warm bath with 2 cups of Epsom salts, or 2 tablespoon in a foot soak. Minimum 20 mins but preferably longer.

Some detox/ pathogen dieoff effects (as toxins are released), are a sudden unexplained release of emotions, in this case the salts soak would be doubly warranted.

A high vitamin c food would be beneficial to add as an antioxidant, toxin scavenger, I have used Rose hip capsules as this source in the past, also amla powder.

Best to you.

Denise
Us
12/23/2018
71 posts

Hello Teena! So glad to see your post, along with the others as well! I loved reading your input about the 5htp, B3 (niacin) and the B-complex! Would you believe I had read something on the Niacin from a link for Foodmatters? I can't remember where I read it here, and who sent it. Also, the recommend to be sure to take the other Bs w/it. And I got a great link for a good complex from Bsw! I ordered both yesterday, then saw your post this a.m. Yeehaw!

I look forward to reading the link you sent, thank you so much! I do have Epsom Salts and it is so good to soak in it, but hard to take the time to do it. But I will. I had a supplement for C but stopped taking it as I read a woman in my age group shouldn't take more than 100mg per day, and this bottle is 1000 mg. Not sure about that, but I feel I am getting enough of the C from some things I love keeping on hand like Papaya (the big ones) and Kiwi. That papaya I can get year-round, but not sure on the kiwi.

Thanks for your kind words, and if I help someone else with my ramblings, that's a real bonus to just being able to share with Earthclinic folks, Denise

Replied by Idot13
Ireland
12/23/2018

Do no one talk about a massager and loosen all the muscle on the back especially around the kidney area because no matter what you take it will be no good if the muscles are not loosened all over the back. You will feel elated when they are done but you must get in deep and loosen them all up now in the beginning it will be sore but it will get better over time. In the beginning you will be very sore but it gets easier as time goes by.

Denise
Us
12/23/2018
71 posts

Hello idot,

How I would love to get a massage, but I am thinking I might find something like those gadgets you roll around. I've read about massaging the spleen area and liver, as I have an enlarged spleen. I'm doing the supps I can find to help that (recommends from EC) and especially the BSM and Papaya are supposed to be very good for that.

When I am being active, I do weight-training which I know is not the same as a massage, but wow, what a difference in how good I feel working my muscles. My neck and back are the areas that bother me the most with the stress, and your suggestion/reminder is timely. I'll see if I can will myself into at least doing some stretches today, thank you for helping me out here, Denise

Replied by Denise
Us
12/23/2018
71 posts

Hi Kt, thanks for taking the time as you must be such a busy caring for your husband. I think I have a post on the way so I won't repeat it all, but the cayenne and ginger helped me yesterday. I felt like I got shot out of a cannon and hit the ground running. Well, I do exaggerate but I really got busy doing things. It was a good day, and a good evening to boot. I slept pretty good too.

I'm writing everything down, and adding about the baking soda w/magnesium. Darned if I can remember why I got onto the baking soda w/acv right now, but I only use that if I get LPR (silent reflux). That works so well I can hardly believe it!

Can't agree more on the glass bottles, and I've ditched anything plastic I used to eat or drink out of.

While I'm thinking about it, my blackstrap isn't organic, but I couldn't find any at all here in town. I read on the label a couple of days ago, that California put a warning on there that says it can contain lead and other chemicals. So I'm researching so I can just get my Blackstrap Molasses online. I am hoping not all blackstrap has this warning. That is an every day supplement/sweetner for me now. Just a total of 2 tbsps or less though.

I will do the same routine as I did yesterday and see how it works for my depression. And I am just using 1/4 tsp with my spices. I know some are not good, and could have fillers Kt. I will be buying them online too if I can't find them all at our healthfood mart. And I will make sure those don't have anything in them. Since they are bulk, I am hoping they are good. Denise PS this is how I took it yesterday:

1/4 tsp Cayenne

1/4 tsp Ginger (ground)

about 8 ounces of water

After that, this was after breakfast too as I didn't see your post until after I ate. But then I made my grated Ginger Tea

1.5 tbsp grated ginger root

1/4 tsp cayenne

1/4 tsp garlic powder

1/4 tsp turmeric (bulk powder)

hot water as for tea. I sipped on that almost until lunchtime. Oh, forgot the blackstrap molasses to sweeten. I'll see how it goes today and let you know. Thank you so much Kt, as always, I appreciate your input so much.

Replied by Art
California
12/23/2018
419 posts

The LE brand has the correct type of thiamine (HCI) and it is the main ingredient in terms of quantity. The other brand has a different type of thiamine (mononitrate).

The LE brand also has two forms of niacin which the other brand only has niacinamide. The two in one is likely to be more beneficial.

The LE brand has folate while the other brand has folic acid. Folic acid is the inferior of the two.

The LE brand has less B-12 than the other brand, but the LE brand has more biotin at a more useful dose and it has PABA which the other brand doesn't even have and it has twice as much inositol.

Overall, I would say the LE brand is the superior of these two based on the label information you posted.

Art

Denise
Us
12/25/2018
71 posts

shoot, wish I'd held my horses on ordering. Well, I can take this one and order the other brand (LE) next time. I so appreciate your input Art, and your knowledge. I did see info on the folate/folic acid and the niacin/niacinamide in an article, but both too late. At least I'll be getting started on it.

I bought that Inositol some years ago and never took it, maybe once. Now I'm reading all about Niacin and really want to try that for depression so ordered some of that too. Unfortunately, not the best brand either. KAL had it in 50mg tabs though and I have bought other sups by KAL so went with that for now.

I'll be able to spend a bit more next time I order things.

Replied by Rsw
Oh
12/23/2018

Hi Denise,

It looks like the supplements you chose has all your bases covered. Some people have a methylation conversion problem, and they need the bioavailable form of some of the B vitamins. (the B12 in your vitamin is the bioavailable form). For now, take what you have and see how you feel. It may be just right for your needs.

Whether you are a religious person or not, I thought I would mention that just attending a midnight or Christmas Eve candle lighting service at a church can be a very grounding and peaceful experience. Singing ‚ÄúSilent Night‚ÄĚ as the candles are lit across the church attendees always makes me feel very quiet and thankful. This is a difficult time of year for many. The people on this site can become like a family and are always willing to help you from each unique perspective. We are fortunate to have much support in this community from people with big hearts, extensive personal research, and open minds to alternative medicine.

You are an inspiration to others who are just coming here for the first time, by honestly sharing your successes and concerns. These days contain the same 24 hours as all the others, so there is no need to stress and worry. You are strong and capable, and you already have many friends who care about you here. All is well. Take care.

Denise
Us
12/25/2018
71 posts

Thank you Rsw, I will see how I do on these supps I got like you say. You are so right about the folks here sharing their support, and knowledge with others.

My spiritual beliefs are very important to me, although some days I have such a lack of faith. Thank you for your suggestions. I only thought about it for Christmas, but I can practice my beliefs all year round right. And it does help, I seem to forget that very important part of my well-being. So focused on the emotional, mental, and physical.

So now I also will be getting some Niacin to try out after reading about that helping w/depression too

Replied by Denise
Us
12/22/2018
71 posts

I don't feel good about continuing on the 5htp. Maybe just a gut instinct, but I'm going to try to just stick with my Bs, Magnesium, and a few other basic vitamins. I also like using the cayenne that Kt told me about, as well as other spices like ginger, garlic and turmeric. I do plan to try some niacin, and I finally came across a KAL brand, which I love their Magnesium, and it's tablet form, and 50 mg. I've read the site, a lot of anyway, from FoodMatters and feel safe in trying Niacin at a small dosage.

Tyrosine sounds good too, and I suppose trying some of these is the only way I'll know, but I didn't like the 5htp, especially didn't help me sleep, and did cause headaches. I read somewhere someone added tyrosine with the 5htp, but above, just the tyrosine helped someone. I guess I just don't like having to add something to a supplement when it already is supposed to help depression.

I am very glad it works for part of the crowd and I realize something that finally works for me might not work for some.

I also wanted to let Kt know that after my dosages of Cayenne and the rest of the things I made warm drinks out of today, must have helped. I really got moving and changed my apartment around and really had a great day. Cayenne and Ginger? Maybe so.

Replied by Kt
Usa
12/26/2018

Hi Denise,

Yes, I had taken cayenne & ginger together because I read they are both stimulants. I am running out of cayenne so I have to ration until I get more. The reason I started putting it in my coffee with garlic is because I read it stimulates peristaltic action and the garlic replaces the lining of the GI tract. A NP (naturopathic physician) advised me the lining replaces it self every 7-10 days.

My lining was severed at the anal canal in about 2011 and my PCP said it will never repair itself. That's another story. I don't know a thing about 5HTP...it may be good to trust your gut for this one!

I read a doctor reported going on a low carb diet to lose weight and discovered he no longer had indigestion so his conclusion was too many carbs cause indigestion. I found this to be true when we converted one summer trying to eat free range grass-fed critters. We had more digestive problems (cramps and kidney pain) with indigestion. They are being fed GMO grasses and grains. The eggs chickens produce are affected (I had indigestion after eating one hard boiled egg when in the process of my testing things). I called the farm and was advised they got a special blend of grain from the Amish to feed their chickens and the two first on the list was soy and corn. The milk is affected because even though the dairy cows are grass fed, which has been infiltrated with GMO's, they are fed corn (also genetically modified since about 1998) to produce milk in winter...that even caused me indigestion and the reason we had to get 2%. In addition we had more problems with cysts. All is well now but portion control is still necessary.

I believe "carbs" have to be considered in things that were supposed to be considered "0 carbs" based on my experience.It is wise to limit your BSM to 2 T a day. When I increased to three but still consumed some sugar I started to get the lightening bolt pains in my legs but cut back and they stopped. I like to use BSM in my oatmeal more than coffee but add a little to it sometimes. I get my spices from Penzeys Spices, www.penzeys.com. I screened and trust them. They have increased their free shipping price purchase to $40 and will pay sales tax if you order by snail mail. They stopped their catalogs but because I save everything, that's a good thing! They erred a couple of times on the sales tax but when I called them they corrected it so they're reliable. New people aren't always familiar with all rules. I got "Brer Rabbit" BSM in glass and "Plantation" BSM in glass from Amazon. Amazon also sells "Real Salt" more reasonable in a 3-pack than what I could get from the HFS (health food store).

Finally, it is important to note I was hospitalized for depression in 1975 for three weeks. It was due to what I had been eating along with vitamin/mineral deficiencies.

Sometimes I post and save until I feel it is what I am trying to say so the long posts are not always done in one sitting. Sometimes sitting too long causes discomfort because I don't have a problem with losing control, the opposite is true. I can hold my bowels forever because of that sever and filling up with stool hurts. It has ruptured the one-cell lining before so when I feel that accumulating, I need to get into the oval office!

KT

Replied by Denise
Us
12/26/2018
71 posts

I get that brand of seasalt too Kt, just lucky I guess, that it's carried here in our HFStore. I can't get the better BSM yet, but it will be the Plantation organic in a glass bottle. That's what I can afford. I am fortunate that I don't have anyone to feed except myself. I struggle a little to get the good stuff, so I can't imagine feeding more than one mouth. So wrong people can't get the best foods, like our Salmon, which I love, from Alaska.

I do feel better off the 5htp. It was giving me headaches, and some strange pains I had once in awhile may have been that too. I'm just on my Magnesium, Magtein, BComplex, A, D3, L-theanine, zinc. Also, I have tried GABA the last 2 days, and don't feel much different except it may have something to do with my tinnitus being less. And interesting you mentioned taking only 2 Ts of Blackstrap Molasses because that's what I take. I use it in my 2 cups (actually its a cup a bit larger than a measured 8 oz) Ginger Root Tea.

I did my cayenne and ginger this a.m. too and feel it might be giving me a bit of a boost. Not hurting me that's for sure. I've sure increased my vegies and fruits which is an almost total change in my life. Right now I can get Papaya (large type) and Kiwis so I eat them after breakfast each day, and get more if I can when I run out. I really have learned to budget/save and am so much happier too, since I am eating better balanced meals.

I'm so sorry to hear you have so very much to deal with. You are a very strong lady with all your health issues, and caring for your husband too.

I do read every day, all I can learn about nutrition/possible deficiencies I am not taking care of yet. I think I say this a lot, but it is a journey that will keep my busy the rest of my life I'm sure.

Replied by Teena
Melbourne, Australia
12/28/2018
172 posts

Hello Denise,

I am concerned you may have been led astray re your info on vitamin C, perhaps to your health detriment. The vitamin c Complex, the natural, real thing, is a potent antioxidant, and toxin scavenger, immune booster, at the very least.

I have attached the vitamin c page here, and about the only negative side effects you'll see are a person getting the runs. Which to me is not really a negative, because that is the toxins which are getting purged from the body, and needed, as with my son numerous times, it is only after this occurs that he will start to improve his condition.

Of course there are many bad substances in many of the blends, which is why if you choose a synthetic, get pure ascorbic acid powder, then add your sodium bicarbonate, to escape the hidden excitotoxins, or, in capsules, I did manage to find one brand with nothing synthetic, made from fermenting fruits and vegetables, which increases enzyme content. The brand is Para---- Herbs, and they are not expensive.

Another good source is vitamin c rich food, acerola, lemon, amla, in powders, and you can make your own from organic or home grown chemical free citrus peels. (I make my own lemon pickle, and love it!)

One large papaya contains 235 mg vitamin c. It is a great health food, especially when fermented, containing many vitamins minerals and enzymes. It is just that there is not a lot of vitamin c in one piece of (any) fruit. When sick, my family will take 1000 mg every hour until bowel tolerance, then reduce. Maintenance dose for me is 2000 mg / day. When I had severe msg poisoning, I ate the synthetic chewables like lollies, a mega dose, it was the only thing that helped me. I was out of the natural c at the time.

We are all on a health journey. Best to you on yours.

https://www.earthclinic.com/supplements/vitamin_c.html

Replied by Denise
Us
12/28/2018
71 posts

I stopped everything, just to keep all the great people here informed. Yesterday I took L-theanine because it says it relaxes you, so I took a chance on it. Maybe a mistake, I just don't know. But my depression is not alleviated on any regular basis, and my ears (tinnitus) are ringing 24/7, at a higher volume than I am used to handling. Of course I am handling it, but hating it.

I want to just give it all a break and see how I feel. Yesterday I took my 2 mile walk, felt crappy but knew that would help. But when I got out there, my muscles felt weak and I actually thought about turning around and that's unheard of til now. I have strong muscles and walk 4 miles per hour and my normal is feeling great and uplifted.

Something isn't right here, and I just don't know. Afraid to take anything so I won't today and just see. During the night I had more aches and pains in my neck and shoulders too. I don't think I can get to a naturopath, but I'm going to look online and see if there are any close enough. I live in an isolated area, pretty much ignored, by the lower part of California. In a way, that's a good thing.

Sorry to be so down, it's my birthday today too, 66, but I am able to have some fun with friends on fb. Thanks for your info Teena, I'll consider it. I felt a lot of anger yesterday after reading, on amazon, yet another glowing review on another alternative that could help me. I'm running out of money and patience with all this.

One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all

Go ask Alice

Replied by Wendy
Columbus, Oh
12/28/2018

Hi Denise, I've read through your posts and others' responses. I see a functional medicine practitioner, and he told me (repeated to me! Oh, how I wish I would pay attention to what he says! Grrrr! ) that one can take all the supplements in the world, but if they're continuing to eat the wrong foods (not saying you are, necessarily), they're not going to get better. You've probably heard this before, but depression really does begin in the gut. So, can you make a list of all the foods you eat and what you drink, at each meal and snacks? If you could share your food list here on EC, that would be helpful. For example, I take @4 supplements prescribed by my functional med guy, plus @3-4 more. I was "complaining" to him in my last appointment that I'm still not losing weight, I feel sluggish, get frequent UTIs, etc. Well, it's now down to what I'm eating and my activity level. I "cheat" with food, even when I know absolutely what I must be doing! I'll get a hankering for a pint of high-quality ice cream, or some bad carbs. Well, wouldn't you know it, I get UTI symptoms AND feel depressed within 2 days of eating that junk. Then that junk throws my blood sugar out of whack and my sleep suffers.

Anyway, hopefully we can all pool our resources and offer our help to you!

Replied by Kt
Usa
12/28/2018

Hi Denise,

There are two things you mentioned I don't know anything about. You are getting several opinions and I feel I would just add to confusing you more. Personally I would not take the theanine because it is another broken amino acid that can be toxic. The magtein is a newer supp I would steer clear of. In addition, "D" is said to be the most toxic of supps in the NA. This is just my hurried opinion.

The posts about the turmeric and hearing is under "Ailments"/ "Hearing Impairment". Scroll down to "Turmeric" and read a post by Barbara who had tinnitus for six years.

KT

Replied by Kt
Usa
12/29/2018

... Denise, another thing you want to look out for are foods that contain oxalates, cayenne pepper being one. Taking a little extra magnesium may help avoid stones...kidney and/or gallbladder. You can Google foods high in oxalates to get a list and when in doubt ask Google the oxalate content of a specific food or spice. That's how I found out about cayenne pepper thanks to MtM. You might want to cut cayenne pepper back to 1/8 tsp. instead of taking more magnesium. Trial and error to find out what works best because everyone will not respond the same way.

Hubs globs peanut butter on his toast and I feel that is why he had such a problem voiding, in addition to all the meds he was on. Nut butters are listed as being high in oxalates.

KT

Replied by Denise
Us
12/29/2018
71 posts

Hello Kt and Wendy, (and anyone else wanting to chime in), so I don't get so scattered, I'll try and hit on the things you gals replied to me. What I'll do Wendy, is list a typical day of foods. And Kt, I think you are dead-on about the Theanine. I didn't do anything but Magnesium malate & 1 Mag citrate yesterday and have felt better. I still have all my issues, but at least I wasn't maybe taking something that made them worse.

I walked again yesterday and it felt good this time, not dragged down like the previous day. Just a 2 mile walk, and probably a bit slower speed. My muscles felt back to normal which is what told me something was wrong the previous day when I walked. I'm copying your post Kt because I think, just for one thing, certain nuts (and nut milks) give me hives. So I will do as you say on the searches for oxalates, and read about them. Thank you for the Turmeric thread location.

Wendy, I can't thank you enough for sharing as well. I think I eat pretty good, but the list will probably help folks get a better picture. I should tell you a list of things that I have going on, healthwise too.

So not to bombard you both, or anyone, with TMI, too much info, let me just make a couple of lists on what I am eating. No supps except a B Complex, maybe best not do the Mag for now either.

Typical foods: cage-free eggs, sour dough bread (Seattle Baking Co.) Eggs are whatever I can find that sound the healthiest. Water consumption is at about 3 of the 16 oz, from tap w/PUR filter. I am feeling light-headed right this minute typing. Lunch is either home-made soup with only 1/8 tsp of seasalt, or, I eat a lot of Albacore Tuna sandwiches. Lots of veggies, the best I can find, and I do fruit every day, usually papaya or kiwi. Sometimes Apples when I can find the Jazz which I like best. Dinners are usually a meat/fish and a vegetable only. I am, by the way, just starting to at least sip a bit of water with meals. A glass a bit earlier, and tea made of Ginger Root grated w/BSM. No snacks unless it's toast. The tea helps me curb the urge to eat between meals.

Extra supp type foods: Blackstrap Molasses (2 Tbsp a day) Nutritional Yeast on my eggs, no salt on those. Not doing anything but Ginger right now, but was doing Cayenne, Garlic and Turmeric. Was taking Magnesium, B Complex, A, C, D3, B12, Zinc.

To be honest, I am afraid to eat anything right now, or take any supps but the Magnesium seems ok, and the B complex. It's so hard to know, and hard not to worry a bit. Issues below:

Enlarged spleen (no pain, just discomfort)

Essential Tremors mostly head and left hand

Tinnitus and something I have eaten or taken makes it very loud to where I can't stand silence at all.

3rd Degree AV Node block have pacemakers since 1997

Depression and may be a bit bipolar

Acid Reflux/silent reflux a lot better due to times of eating, and what I eat/don't eat

esophogeal spasms almost completely gone haven't had one in a month or so

That's enough for now, all the basics. Thanks gals, I am emotionally and mentally better right now. Sorry for getting so whiney yesterday, Denise

Replied by Denise
Us
12/29/2018
71 posts

One thing I need to open up about if I hope for anyone to really know me, and possibly help me, is this..I have been on 1 mg of Clonazapam since 1988 given to me for something called Spasmodic Torticolus. I got into the health thing enough 3 years ago to want to be done with that crud, so I got myself down to .5 mg only one a day. I have even only taken a .25 but can't seem to get completely off them.

People that take more things drug-wise are astounded I only take that much, and still never just got off them. I am addicted though because if I try a day without any, I feel sick. It is the only script I have though, and was hoping I could get off that as well. I am guilty of never mentioning it to anyone on here, but it's time to be 100% honest. Denise

Replied by Denise
Us
12/29/2018
71 posts

Looking at the big picture here, and what I think is happening has to do with the enormous amount of bread I am consuming. I did not have these things between meals, or after meals (w/a huge piece of sourdough or any bread in large amount) and I may have it pin-pointed for at least one cause of this horrible feeling.

no more bread for a time and see how I feel. Anyone think I should do some sort of detox?? I'll google detox drinks and see, but like to get your feedback.

I used to eat, up until about well, 2 months ago, one slice of whole wheat bread with breakfast if I had eggs. If I did that, I would eat something else I didn't want bread with the rest of the day. This was mainly because I wasn't sure I might have a gluten intolerance. I had no issues like I'm having now with that little bit of bread.

If anyone has seen a loaf of Seattle Baking co. sourdough, its smaller cuts on the ends and big ones in the middle. I am figuring I am addicted because I go for the biggest ones first. Lord, I wonder if this could be what's going on. I'll find out by not eating it at all, and most important, not buying it. I won't eat what I don't buy and it's not in my home.

Anyway, I feel cruddy enough I'm going to lie back down. Just got up at 7:30 but most of this happened after breakfast, interesting hey. I really care so much for all of you here, so very grateful to have this place and the folks here, Denise

PS- I'm not setting aside any other info though, I am just thinking to start by trying this new possibility

Replied by Teena
Melbourne, Australia
12/29/2018
172 posts

Aah, dear Denise, it is overwhelming. I too, bought many supplements after non stop reading, after my husband's diabetes diagnosis.

I have shelves full of powders, pills, liquids, etc. Now I focus more on herbs and plants for their vitamins, minerals and medicine, adding in the others only when I need additional help, although I do take the vitamin c food caps and magnesium, I consider these the basics, along with the plant infusion. Oh and my homemade kefir for the probiotics.

You mentioned you walk daily, I enjoy foraging on my walks, you can research the plants around you that are higher in vitamin, mineral and enzyme content than anything you could buy even in the farmers market.

Stinging nettle, revered by Mtm, strengthens urinary tract and beneficial for those with allergies, wild lettuce, currently being studied for migraine, milk thistle, used for Liver support, mallow, one I always recommend, for soothing reflux, the cause, the entire gi tract, and urinary. (Particularly the root). Elderflower, used in cold and cough mixtures, you can make your own syrups/teas/tinctures. This activity is good for the mind, body and soul. Not to mention it's free, but so uplifting. Recently I identified poison hemlock after reading so much about it. Yes it's poison, but I was just so happy to have a positive identification of another plant, and found in the wild.

This link is for the southern California area http://dinafisher.net/foraging/ but truly many are worldwide.

Kt is right about the D, I've written it often, it is toxic. The type the body makes from sunlight, and can use, is D3 cholecalciferol.

Best to you.

Replied by Teena
Melbourne, Australia
12/30/2018
172 posts

Hate to break it to you Denise (I really really do) but real sourdough does not use commercial yeast because it doesn't need it. Seattle baking uses yeast therefore fermentation of the wheat is not occurring, fermentation makes the nutrients in the wheat grain easily accessible and digestible, as opposed to binding with the nutrients you have and taking them out (anti nutrient). The reason bakeries shortcut is because of time, but our health suffers as a result, plus our purse as we pay more for this ''premium" product.

http://www.northwestsourdough.com/seattle-sourdough-warning-critical-review/

I'm definitely saying enjoy your bread, just find the real deal sourdough.

And the detox idea is great to get you on the right track, I would recommend looking into the 2-3 day bone broth fast, to repair leaky gut and easily obtain nutrients.

Best to you.

Replied by Denise
Us
12/30/2018
71 posts

Ok all, I really think I nailed the cause of a lot of my issues. It's the bread (way too much of it) and it's the white stuff/sourdough. I feel way better today, but did get a bit of what I believe is a hypo/hyperglycemic feeling. Many years ago, when I pretty much ate junkfood only in my 20s, I used to get horrible shakes and felt ravenous. That is what's happening here lately.

I'm taking my B12, and Magnesium only for now and zero bread. I had a lot of soup frozen in jars with tiny red potatos cut up in there but besides that, all vegies, and some ground beef. I have to eat it as I can't afford to ditch every carb that turns to sugar. Luckily, I have fruits, which I know are carbs too (apples, kiwi, large green seedless grapes and black grapes too). Then I bought a nice bag of avocados today, Turkey burger, and some ground beef that is top notch imo. Thomas Farms Grass Fed.

I'm hangin in there. It's just something I had to discover, so it was like a lightbulb when on about all the white bread I was eating. I don't know what happened because it just snuck up on me, the craving for it etc.

I also want to share that I got my bottle of Niacin (not niacinimide) just niacin 50 mg. I started that last night and would you believe for the first time in months, I fell asleep around 10 and didn't wake up until 6 a.m. That was some great sleep and I believe the Niacin had everything to do with that. I've been reading the foodmatters article and want to follow his basic instructions. Start low. And for me, no flushing at all, yet. I did have a slight headache this a.m. but I don't take any aspirin etc for that. I either walk, drink a lot more water, or both.

Now I'm checking the glycemic index so I don't get too many carbs, out of balance in other words. I'll let you know how I feel after a few days without breads, denise

Replied by Wendy
Columbus, Oh
12/31/2018

Yes, Denise, all that bread, no matter how "healthy", can really wreak havoc on your system! I'd recommend completely cutting out bread from your diet for at LEAST a couple of months. It'll probably take awhile to clean out your system. Personally I wouldn't bother with purchasing "detox" liquids, powders, etc. Let your body heal itself! LOTS of FRESH and lightly steamed veggies will clean you out. You can go on mini-fasts, too. This means eating a light dinner, as early in the evening as possible, then NOT eating until 16 hours later. This gives your digestive system a break, and you don't have to "suffer" through a 3-5 day fast!

In my earlier post, I mentioned that I see a functional medicine practitioner. Something he mentioned to me was if you overeat anything, be it bread, sugar, pasta, etc., it means you actually have an allergy to it. I know for myself, if I buy a loaf of even good-quality bread, it's GONE in 2 days! I can't stop eating it. Much of this is due to it messing with your blood sugar.

I finally realized I don't really need bread at all. Also, pastas and rice do the same thing as bread: mess with your blood sugar.

Replied by Kt
Usa
12/31/2018

Dear Denise,

I'm going to print out your post to read and see if I can offer some help about what you are taking but I first want to say STOP the sour dough bread. I cannot eat sour dough anything! Hindsight is 20/20 and I had a lot of trouble when I just ate sour dough pretzels. No positive proof but that could have a lot to do with the tinnitus I know my hearing was worse. Continue the BSM and magnesium oxide.

If you go for walks, I don't understand why you could be low in D. I was deficient until I got back in the sun a few minutes each day. Do you cover yourself from head to toe? I do not wear a hat and I have never used sunscreen.

I would encourage you to take 1/4 tsp. each of ginger and turmeric in the morning in about 1/2 C water. Take them separate if you prefer...do any supplements you take contain any fillers?

KT

Replied by Kt
Usa
12/31/2018

Denise,

Clonazapam contains lactose and pregelatinized starch. Two ingredients I try to stay away from. Maybe if you took the ginger in the morning first and try to go without the med that would help you avoid the ill feeling. Maybe take 1/2 tsp. instead of 1/4. Several years ago when I was taking 1/2 tsp. of mustard in the morning I hurriedly grabbed the ginger instead. When I realized what I had done I panicked and called poison control. They advised no harm was done so I feel 1/2 tsp. in the morning might help you although you have been on it so long it may take awhile to detox from Clonazapam. I think MtM has shared turmeric is a blood purifier. I can't check that out right now but I'm sure she'll correct me if I am wrong. Turmeric and ginger both are reported to reduce inflammation. Maybe take them fifteen minutes or more apart so there is not such an overload on your spleen? Thinking out loud again! KT

Replied by Kt
Usa
12/31/2018

Denise...it just hit me...are you eating fresh fruit or raw vegetables? Our entire food supply has been infiltrated with GMO's in one degree or another. Assimilation is difficult and I believe this has an impact on our moods.

KT

Replied by Denise
Us
12/31/2018
71 posts

As Deidre mentioned this a.m. they are moving the site, so don't know if anyone will see this, but I'll try because, well, I just need to.

I have some snips of my last blood tests and am wondering about the very top one that is flagged. My doc said I was borderline diabetic, and wondering if my symptoms might have to do with my foods being I guess, too high in sugars. Maybe someone will know from these photos.

My only doc is out of town for the holidays so I can't see her, and I am really struggling with my symptoms, which seem to match hypoglycemia:

Symptoms of Hypoglycemia:

  • Sudden loss of energy, state of weakness
  • Hunger and craving for sweets, since the body lacks the essential levels of sugar
  • Nervousness, irritability, Depression and fatigue
  • Disturbed vision and headaches

I'll see if I can insert snips of tests I had about 3 months ago.



Replied by Denise
Us
12/31/2018
71 posts

I'm going to stay off the bread for now, and careful on other carbs that turn into sugar. I can see sourdough has a lesser, maybe no effect, but none the less, I was eating too much and I have to start somewhere in my testing.

I will stick with all the vegies I now eat, and fish/meats, my magnesium, B complex, I guess that's it since my ears have been ringing more since I started the Niacin. Darned if I do and darned if I don't. I'll keep this short as I did post another blurb on bloodtest results I got about 3 months ago. Just to see if anyone could gather info on me, from them.

Thanks everyone, especially Deidre and those working hard on our awesome site. A very, Happy New Year to all of you, Denise


Posted by Kristina (Beverly, Ma) on 03/25/2010
5 out of 5 stars

I used to take an Rx SSRI for seasonal depression and weight loss but after two years, my body decided it didn't want it anymore. I got anxious to the point of paranoia, I binged on sweets, and I lost the will to do much beyond sit in front of my TV/computer.

I weaned off it and discovered 5-htp. When I first began taking it, I took low doses (25 mg or 50mg) a couple times a day. It would work fine for a couple days and then I would have side effects like bone aches, sleepiness (no matter how much sleep I got), anxiety, and constant hunger. I tried taking smaller doses and found it to have no effect. Frustrated, I nearly stopped taking it.

I then found a time-release capsule of 5-htp. There is at least one company that makes it in a 100mg. It works incredibly well. I haven't felt this "normal" in a very long time. I'm awake during the day and I sleep at night, I eat normally and stop eating when I'm no longer hungry, and I'm able to handle stressful situations calmly. I honestly don't feel like I have any side effects.

I am 32 years old and female. The other things I take daily are a 'complete' vitamin, rhodiola rosea 400mg lysine 500mg, glucosamine/condroiton, fish oil, and 1000 mg of vitamin D. I've been taking all of those for years before taking 5-htp.

If you're having trouble with the 'normal' doses of 5-htp, I highly recommend trying the time release version before giving up on it entirely.

Replied by Gean
Salina, Ks
03/25/2010

Do you take the 5-HTP in the morning, or at night? Thank you.

Replied by Kristina
Beverly, Ma
04/03/2010

I'm sorry for the delay in my response - I take the 5htp once a day at about 10:30am. If I took it immediately upon waking, I'd probably take two a day... but taking it at that hour, I only need one.

I usually feel pretty good all by myself in the mornings.

Replied by Christy
Portland, Or
09/17/2010

It's fairly common amongst users of psychedelic drugs known to effect serotonin receptors and levels (MDMA, LSD, etc. ) to use 5-HTP to restore serotonin levels. I've found that it noticibly helps myself and have seen it gain a lot of popularity over the last few years. It'd be interested to see legitimate research done.

Replied by Shawna
Penn Hills,pa
07/05/2014

I've been having the same problem, I'm going to order the time release asap, thank you so much for posting this!


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Posted by Charlotte (Honolulu, Hi) on 02/02/2013
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hey everyone who wants to try 5-HTP you should research it first... It's the cause of Eosinophilia Myalgia Syndrome (EMS). I thought I was going to try it until I read about this. The side effects among other things are extreme muscle pain, tremors, and it's a life-long condition. It has also killed people.

Replied by Neukoln
Edinburgh, Scotland, Uk
02/03/2013

I can't find the post, but someone commented that taking a lower dose of 5HTP is more effective. [It may have been on the Depression pages?] I have to agree with this. I had crippling depression, and so I had gradually increased to 300mg/day (3 x 100mg) thinking that I needed the maximum dose - because my depression was almost making me bed-ridden. But that very high dose gave me a weird anxiety, and racing heart, and I took ages to fall asleep. And I got very loose bowels too.

I am now taking 200mg. I break open one of the capsules and have 50mg under the tongue 1/2 hour before breakfast, then 100mg under the tongue 1/2 hour before dinner, and finally 50mg under the tongue 1/2 hour before bed. I feel so much better. My depression has completely gone. I feel happy. I am thinking of reducing the 100mg dinner-time dose to 50mg. But maybe when the Winter has passed.

Replied by Kathy
Las Vegas
02/03/2013

I watched a documentary on nutrition and a Dr. said that niacin totally erases depression. Of course you have to stay on it. He sited an example of a woman that was so depressed that she stayed in her room. When she took niacin, as much as she needed to get her acting like herself again, it worked, she became her old self. They told the Dr. and he said to take her off the niacin, they listened and she reverted back to a depressed state. The documentary may have been called "a beautiful world".

Replied by Kimi
San Diego, Ca
02/03/2013

The doctor's name is Andrew Saul and the documentary is called "Food Matters". His books are a "must-read" and the documentary is priceless!

Replied by Timh
Louisville, Ky
02/05/2013
2115 posts

I get very good results w/ Tyrosine. I like to take 1 grm daily but Tyrosine will raise the blood pressure in folks who have the condition. I am at least able to take 500mg daily now. Add some St John'sWort once daily along w/ the T and I'm a happy man again.

Replied by Denise
Us
12/16/2018
71 posts

I'm going to try this schedule with my 5htp. It does help, but there are some very, small issues with it, I would like to alleviate. I think I get a headache, maybe from that or something else. I also don't get "regular" relief from depression. Maybe no "pill" will do that but I do eat very healthy, water, and exercise too, so, we'll see I suppose. Thank you Neukoln, from Edinburgh, Scotland I'll try to let folks here know how I do trying it the same way you are! Denise



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